did the interview!
since last posted i have the main content of my book laid out and have completed part 1 of my interview w Klara.
Here's the transcript from the interview (I also recorded the Zoom so I have to go through it and obviously edit and fix things and maybe rephrase stuff to make it read well but here's the bulk of what we discussed). I organized the questions by chapter so we made it through the introduction, chapter 1, and 2! We are having a 2nd interview on monday to complete the rest of the chapters!
16:21:11 The Zoom so I can actually have the transcript for the test, so I don't have to type thing.
16:21:21 Okay, perfect.
16:21:23 Okay I'm recording.
16:21:30 Wow. Got it. I have,
16:21:35 um, yeah let me know. I'm ready to start, is that sound good. Yeah. Okay, cool. I'll still like read the questions out loud enough. Yeah, that'll be great.
16:21:49 So in thinking about your own life, just as a person.
16:21:56 How do you think this relates to your practice as an artist, and what are the ways in which you bridge the gap between both parts of your life, just as a human vs artist.
16:22:13 Um, that's always been mostly when I started my career was the challenge, dividing as a creative person your life from your creative work. I think personally as an artist you can divide your life because when you're an artist you're sensible you feel
16:22:30 more you always analyzing things creatively.
16:22:36 So I think it's always intertwined and we, and you know correlated, your personal life from your work life when you're an artist. But when you're actually working in your career you have to divide your business side from your creative side too.
16:22:54 So you have to be the artist and you have to be.
16:22:57 Also the, you know, administrative part or the professional part are you representing your work in a different way than just that idea list excited I do need to create it.
16:23:08 That makes sense.
16:23:11 And your work is very personal. And this role.
16:23:17 So have you ever encountered.
16:23:32 Yes, and it keeps coming back and I regret. that's one of the things I usually don't regret anything that I haven't done something things because they're probably more uncomfortable, and probably to me because I just don't even have to show them immediately
16:23:48 nothing I just have their responsibility as an artist to create that
16:23:57 without putting limitation to that work, but totally, and that's a challenging part for me it's been, I know some artists don't have a problem.
16:24:08 I usually, even with the most uncomfortable or darker thesis, try to do the light I think I talked to you about that before.
16:24:19 But some, which, you know, anyway I have one that's cool rest in peace and it's actually us.
16:24:29 Oh, you can picture, a different times, but it's all white and we're just resting in these, you can see, you are live where you're dead but you know you could do I could do more Hong Kong.
16:24:41 But I know.
16:24:44 Would you say that if you focus on the darker piece.
16:24:51 Do you feel that like there needs to be like accompanying like somewhere, or like maybe the next pieces like about something lighter.
16:25:02 Absolutely. It always, always because I think we don't see the light, if we don't experience darkness.
16:25:11 And we. And that's, I think, you know, the question that I always have like you know we all go through struggles and darkness and it's just part of being alive but what do we do with that I mean it's any comes to when we talk about these white, you know,
16:25:29 know, allowing ourselves to feel it. Sometimes you don't want to feel but why not let's feel it and then let's change that because it's usually a stage and it's going to know things about us.
16:25:41 You have to see the light, or you have to, to see the light, you have to experience darkness, yes I mean that's a huge one for me, huge Yeah, I said this is super random but have you I read this book called untamed.
16:25:56 Um, and the whole concept of the book is that she was like not like she was not. She was like, the author was not doing well and she was like a drug addict and like an alcoholic and was not allowing herself to feel and she when she got sober she became
16:26:20 pregnant and then she got sober and then she was like, I realized like allowing myself to feels mean human.
16:26:27 And it just reminds me. Wow.
16:26:30 Yeah, and I think that's interesting guy yeah because I think that goes back and of course there's no exceptions right but to just numb ourselves with whatever addiction or whatever you know different kinds, you know, drugs, alcohol, there's all other
16:26:50 kinds right but I think it's in spite of that, and it does not easy you know and and we can all fall at different stages in through different patterns or, you know, I think we ought to protect or defend you know that like from feeling uncomfortable.
16:27:09 It's like a defense. Right. Yeah. But I think you've we don't feel like you're saying there's, there's no change or evolution because then you just stuck in there just numbing yourself with whatever you're using to do it right.
16:27:24 So, I think, I love that because I think sometimes those pieces. Let me put it is like a diary like once I have this, you know, really nice things are that supported my work from the start and he will check my work he's like, Are you okay, and I'm like
16:27:45 why your website and it looks so sad.
16:27:50 Maybe that's why I'm okay, thank God.
16:28:08 Thank you.
16:28:03 Because usually it's like oh yeah like with everything is like this happy side No, We all have our other side and whoever is hiding that it's not being real you know, it's okay.
16:28:12 letting that part of like you're saying being human, and letting that those all those sites feel right now decide that we want, or we want to be like this or I'm like well, yeah.
16:28:31 Anyway, I hope that is that good. Oh yeah yeah for sure.
16:28:36 And now, move, going back to your actual process as an artist, or actually like how you make work.
16:28:49 Where does your artistic practice start.
16:28:53 And can you walk me through kind of how you approach, beginning.
16:29:00 Yeah.
16:29:04 I'll just give you.
16:29:06 I mean they're all different. As you know, I'll just give you like a broad thing, some are different but in general.
16:29:13 It's interesting that you told me because, like even to find sketches are process for this specific pieces, and to go back to like a lot of sketch books and try to find, because sometimes I start like you said, you know, you've seen it's like very short
16:29:31 writing I'm not a writer but I let you know that short phrases or interesting thoughts have to write them down because then they can become painting.
16:29:40 So, that writing or whatever if there's like something we discussed and I feel it's interesting you know sometimes that's part of the work starts right there so I'll put like whatever you know let's say something inspired me right now as well.
16:29:56 Good inspiration or whatever word you know a tree.
16:30:00 And then from then on, sometimes I started working on it, but I go back months, and put it together, or see what was interesting and why or, you know, different emotions with different experiences or whatever, and that becomes a painting.
16:30:16 That is part of the process but then I started painting.
16:30:20 And the painting changes.
16:30:22 Right. So then it becomes something else and it's almost like teaching me, this is what I'm about now and maybe I have to come back and do another one with the other idea or maybe sometimes, I haven't yet, but it's interesting sometimes if it works perfectly
16:30:38 perfectly but sometimes. A lot of the pieces of gold for my work, right, because when you start when you start a painting.
16:30:48 How does the actual, like imagery come to you.
16:30:56 And that I'm going to talk because it's so recent about this offline for example.
16:31:01 Right. Those are three small ones, but that I guess because I'm very visual and that's part of it like for some, like I been thinking about that color specifically for like a month and now you know or more.
16:31:16 And then it's almost like that has to be that's like the theme of that painting it which is interesting is that it's not always about a subject for whatever reason that was interesting too.
16:31:27 But then this subject of all which I think you've seen that it's a change I'm including nature and I'm having some of the figures not appear, or appear less.
16:31:41 What obvious.
16:31:46 Is that a good answer I'm going off.
16:32:00 Like the Yeah, no, I was writing everything I know like, Oh, I did my homework.
16:32:02 I did.
16:32:06 We spoken about this before but just for the sake of the interview. What inspires you, the most
16:32:21 all the questions we have our life.
16:32:26 All that is.
16:32:27 And I guess everything is a question so I'm thankful that that's what inspires my work, because sometimes I'm like why is I you know I don't know what to do now.
16:32:38 Other questions.
16:32:38 We can run out of the question.
16:32:40 So, yes, got it and that took me this answer it took me years for me to be able to say, and I think that for any artists, is that it's the why, why do you do your work.
16:32:55 Why do you design that way or why it's like we talked the other time I love when you said, it's not all about money or being had this great design for him anymore it's about having a purpose what's it's important you're making a difference.
16:33:10 You're right. It's good for the world it's good for others, whatever. It's what it's inspiring to you.
16:33:18 Yeah.
16:33:20 And this is more tactile I guess but what are there any specific obviously you're a painter. But, um, are there any specific materials that inspire you.
16:33:34 Gabi. That is a question that I have to share with you, I'm.
16:33:40 Of course, and I'm an artist in general and I think that's something even with you I can say it as a sign of it. I think it's all I think people did love like we're talking about oh this technique or whatever.
16:33:51 Because Amanda is really not about that it's about how you're expressing both these wines that we're talking about are the questions right or whatever you're doing.
16:34:01 But now I'm so obsessed with sculpture, you can. Okay, because I've started like I did when I was in art school, and I've always done like little wire things or wood things, you know, so we're even with my pain you've seen that I love nature stuff like
16:34:20 that for some reason it's inspiring to me as material or as the low core the creation.
16:34:27 But now I can totally went back and I'm working with clay. So, if I could, I want to be doing it all day and it's so challenging because that material is limiting oh I have, you know, other things that I want to do which then he comes interesting of course
16:34:44 you need a material to do any creation. So, right, it is important but anyway I'm very obsessed with sculpture right now, painting, I think sometimes I'm like, like I say, not often but like now this color it's like obsession like this pieces have to
16:35:02 be specifically this color and I'm super happy with them.
16:35:05 So it's interesting. Yeah.
16:35:08 Well anyway, did I answer the question.
16:35:12 Yeah and kind of it's super interesting that you're interested in sculpture right now that's really fun but within your like 2d words.
16:35:23 A lot of the times your pieces are labeled as mixed media.
16:35:40 Mosley because of how I want them
16:35:47 to look like, even a failure, you know like it sometimes I limit myself to sometimes it works it's just it's just Euler acrylic, but sometimes if I want, like that failure to have some different texture from the background let's say or more depth into
16:36:07 it or, you know, I love ink, because it lets, lets me or less the material be more spontaneous and sometimes that gives me a flow of more what I'm looking for.
16:36:20 Then a very, you know,
16:36:24 detailed or controlled work, which I think that's interesting for my work specifically I yeah so if that makes sense. So, and I never want to be limited by any material you know I'm saying so interesting, even though I'm super, super a painter of course
16:36:44 but, and it's always a painting at the end, you know, but, um, But I think adding those it's interesting for the process of interesting for the work itself, if it makes sense.
16:36:56 Yeah.
16:36:56 Yeah.
16:36:58 Yeah, well that's. I love that link.
16:37:00 Yeah, I know, for example that you said you love love you.
16:37:06 I mean what watercolor paper income papers the most challenging thing you can do, yeah. If you mess it up. Once it's so hard to manipulate Yeah, It's done.
16:37:18 Yeah, we've been kind of defending like, essentially, the attention, it's just little work on linen see the background is just left in touch with I think that's just so beautiful because it kind of, you know, but we've had great like if I do a lot of
16:37:34 layering. You can always be changing it. Yeah. So it depends. So I think that's also a challenge, not to let let you just, you know, be about it but make, you know, different or that you selected for this press for the spread the ink on paper the black
16:37:55 on white creation creations, that is, that was a very challenging piece and I did it through our minds, which was interesting because usually I want to finish faster or control it, but because it was, I couldn't control it because it was just incomplete
16:38:11 or if I will mess up one figure, or I messed it up but I could adjust but there's so much you can adjust on the paper Right, right. It was almost anyway.
16:38:23 Yeah.
16:38:24 Um, this is a question about the titling of your pieces.
16:38:31 So some pieces are bilingual or specifically in Spanish.
16:38:39 So how does language to come into play in your work. I love that question.
16:38:56 I love it. I am.
16:38:50 And it's so unconscious, got me interested in it is, but then I've been more aware of it like, I think it's just Of course Spanish is like my native, you know, my native language right but I hear most of my life because I've been here like 28 years.
16:39:11 So, and this is my life so really.
16:39:15 Sometimes, and mostly because it's what you see or this of luck.
16:39:20 I do start with English, but it has to be the Spanish next to it till you know for whatever reason it's almost like it's part of me like it's just this by culture life or you know that I've had that it's just important for, for me, I'm the work.
16:39:38 Yeah. And sometimes, like you mentioned my hair. My hair was.
16:39:50 Start yeah yeah sure sweet nice yeah that's right, it's like, but I'm or sometimes.
16:39:52 As you see, if I have wording I have it on both languages like any fight added, you know words to the pieces, less but I, it doesn't limit, one or the other, you know, depending on creation.
16:40:07 Yeah.
16:40:08 Yeah.
16:40:10 Yes. And there's one now which it was interesting it just kind of, I don't know if you saw it, but there's one that's called transition gone Flores, did you see that, oh no I haven't seen that one.
16:40:22 That's like on the first work one, it's that yb chairs, you probably yeah it's a lot of work says you know so. But if you check its transition with, and I don't know for whatever reason he just felt like it was like, Louis fires.
16:40:38 Exactly. I mean, And it was just kind of how it came after I did the PC was, it was about transition but the flower part that flower part was part of adding, they're not very noticeable but if you add flowers to transition which it's usually not a comfortable
16:40:59 thing for us as changed.
16:41:02 Then if you add a little flowers will make another
16:41:11 Thank you. I love that that's that's really interesting to think about how I guess like I feel like this can even tie back to how your practice as an artist and your life as a human, are the same thing.
16:41:29 Exactly Gabby, I love that analysis because like you said, even now that you're saying that it's like I'm trying to resolve that struggle within myself.
16:41:38 Yeah.
16:41:44 Hmm. And how would I know where it is. Yeah, but of course we're all human so at the end, I hope that that would make sense to some other person or maybe they will tell me something more about that piece you know that pieces.
16:41:56 I, you know, a collector has it in Cincinnati and he. It was interesting, he was like going through a really hard time and he said this is just perfect this this was just for me and I'm like oh my god Well, I'm so happy to hear that he could see that,
16:42:08 you know, huh, anyway. Yeah, no, that's amazing. Yeah. Thanks, Gary yeah that's a super interesting question so super enjoy this.
16:42:20 So this question is broad but has was, I was inspired to us question based on allowing yourself to feel which we've already touched on, with focusing on your own emotions and your thoughts and your art.
16:42:36 There is there a level of self awareness that you feel like is necessary for you to be able to articulate your emotions visually, and kind of how did you arrive at this level of self awareness.
16:42:57 Wow, it's definitely been a process, I don't, I think it's important to have a little bit of awareness before or after the each painting
16:43:09 are in the process of the painting you almost have to forget yourself, which I know it's very abstract.
16:43:26 But then at that point when you're actually working in creating the piece have has to work, to me, great painting or, you know, whatever.
16:43:30 There's a point that you kind of have to lose that awareness just to let the work, take over. Yeah, like you're in a trance and conscious is doing it for you.
16:43:44 Yes, got it in my work I know all painters are different and it doesn't apply for one, you know, one that's doing a palm tree or a flower specifically, you know, copied as you know but for the work that I do totally.
16:44:01 Interesting. Yeah.
16:44:06 Um, so, this is a question about specifically about the piece, why do we feel.
16:44:12 What's the story behind
16:44:16 that.
16:44:19 That's the question because I'm like, we're all that we do is that right.
16:44:28 I actually think I was going through like, you know, some challenging days and I thought, what, like why.
16:44:38 Like, what I'm going to come down and tell me like why you know.
16:44:45 Anyway, so, and I just, again, I think it was just like a survival thing that I thought, Wow, how do we visually poodle this and you see it's all this different compartments right and pulling things and it's, you know, but I love how you tie that to allowing
16:45:05 yourself to feel because they're from different stages and years of my work so right.
16:45:11 But it came back but they're totally different.
16:45:14 Right, yeah.
16:45:16 I feel like you cannot allow yourself to feel maybe is is does similar emotions but a positive view of it. And why do we feel could have been, like, the negative non negative vote, frustration,
16:45:42 like bed.
16:45:42 Exactly like right. I love that. Yeah.
16:45:47 See, that's a word is that I didn't have.
16:46:03 Sometimes it's like okay here's the thing, but even like you're saying thinking now like, wow, allowing yourself to feel like it's okay let's feel you know it's okay let's cry It's okay to not want to talk to you now or whatever it is, whatever we're
16:46:08 feeling, you know, like, it's okay let yourself feel bad, but you're right, the other one.
16:46:12 That's a good point. It's almost like, like I don't want to, but I have to. Yeah.
16:46:19 And, and it's okay to because we have to, but I think it's deep that we get to that question like why it's not just like surviving or again going back to whatever thing it's going to numb you're feeling you know it's like okay let's wonder why but we're
16:46:32 all feeling something so how are we, yeah. Anyway,
16:46:39 that's the last piece, I want to talk about for the introduction section, super old piece of yours called life.
16:46:51 Um, how does that piece speak to your overall view of the human condition.
16:46:58 It's interesting that you chose that piece, it's all there but it was a bit that was a very challenging piece, even to create and then yeah and then you'd have see how it has all those words and.
16:47:10 Yeah, so it was interesting.
16:47:16 It had no limitations, which is good I like that a lot.
16:47:22 Again, talking about.
16:47:25 Because usually, if you think too much then you put a lot of limitation to your words so depends, you know. So anyway, that one was very spontaneous it took me a while to be happy with it at the end, it has a lot of layering but it doesn't cover a little
16:47:39 bit of all I think I question, I mean it says right there love, hate, you know, fonder Yeah.
16:47:48 So anyway, that was the question right. Yeah, yeah.
16:47:55 okay but it's interesting that actually I think that was one of the ones that I started it started really showing me more.
16:48:06 How deep I wanted to go which it didn't have any limits right so now they are Think about it. Anyway, is interesting.
16:48:17 Um, So that's it for the introduction. Okay.
16:48:22 Do you want to move into chapter one questions. Yeah, I'm ready I want to break I'm ready. No, I'm good.
16:48:30 When do you have to leave also because I don't know how much time we have, because there's yeah I wasn't I can't let it down a little bit to what I could cut it down a little bit too if no no and we could I know that you needed now but if not we could
16:48:48 do like another one I can go like
16:48:53 25 more minutes but then I have to go because we have a dinner. Okay, yeah, I have dinner.
16:49:00 Okay, good.
16:49:08 Perfect so we can do so like, yeah, like a little bit more and then we can always reconvene another time. Yeah, yeah, no, yeah.
16:49:10 Yeah, casual. Okay. Okay.
16:49:14 Um, so chapter one.
16:49:17 What does joy mean to you.
16:49:27 That started.
16:49:28 You know how we always talk about happiness so much.
16:49:33 And I think we talked a little bit about that when you were, you know, thinking about the words for your chapters
16:49:46 of happiness, it seemed like a more a temporary thing.
16:49:51 happiness, it seemed like a more a temporary thing. Joy, it seems that even when it's not a happy time you could still have joy, if that makes sense. Mm hmm. Even within sadness and challenging times you can still have a certain joy, you're not happy,
16:50:07 but there's a joy of contentment or, you know, talking about this week of gratefulness, you know, not enough.
16:50:27 If there's a word for us because then I think it comes to little drops of joy comes in little drops it doesn't come all the time balance perfect me. So, so I think that kind of like, that's why I like that word so much, the joy, because I think happiness
16:50:40 is.
16:50:55 Yeah,
16:50:58 that makes a lot of sense.
16:51:01 Um, and how do you express joy in your work. Are there any specific materials colors, or like content that you associate with it.
16:51:32 Yeah, usually in that sense it's either with white or light, bringing the light in or very colorful kind of happier colors or palette. Mm hmm.
16:51:29 not the whole piece but incorporating it you don't depending on each. Yeah.
16:51:34 But even like know that you're saying for this line. That's a bit. I haven't even realized that, that's those are very joyful pieces right or happy pieces, whatever.
16:51:47 since like this sub line, which, in that sense I was like you know inspired by nature that connection or that when you're admiring something right that it's a wonder for you.
16:52:00 That's usually a happy or joyful thing. Yeah, moment.
16:52:12 Um, and little drops of joy.
16:52:13 Um, and little drops of joy. Uh huh. Um, you kind of spoke about this but what is the concept behind the series that exactly what we just discussed that, if we could see how it comes, it's just little drops here and there some bigger some smaller, sometimes
16:52:27 you just have to fight to grab one, you know, so it was just in general.
16:52:32 And it's a choice to because maybe they're in there but what are we, right.
16:52:38 So that's an interesting thing see now.
16:52:44 This is interesting. I have to write this down because I'm thinking maybe there's one that you have like joy and darkness so which one are you, you know.
16:52:54 Anyway, is really interesting time don't joy trains and love.
16:53:03 There's kind of a lot of different emotions or things that you can experience like within that title but what are the.
16:53:14 Everybody says the story behind that piece. That's it. That was a cool piece and it was challenging because it was actually a commission.
16:53:24 Different, as you know, even though all our my works but they already had seen the work and I think they selected like four different pieces to create that piece.
16:53:37 Go, specifically for that piece, it was titles that after talking to this specific collectors.
16:53:46 I thought it was interesting, you know, themes or things that were important to them that I thought it was important to cover.
16:53:56 So I'm kind of how that these developed which usually Commission's are different from just creating one from scratch because I already have a more, you know, specific.
16:54:12 Right.
16:54:12 I want to say subjects like it's just I think, you know, set of things that we've talked about with each collector, so right. I said different with the process.
16:54:26 But it was all about them and.
16:54:29 And at that point they were newly married but, um, you know was like that,
16:54:44 joyful or happy future ahead and, you know, I think they were not super young, you know, so it was almost like this time thing which was great because they got to be with each other.
16:54:55 Anyway, so that was it. Yeah, with that.
16:54:58 Yeah.
16:55:06 So, so that's why my, my work is so personal like I love all that story because then that that's that's going to feed the whole creative process so that's kind of with that one.
16:55:17 Yeah.
16:55:18 Um, the next piece I chose to talk about is glow.
16:55:24 Um, so this one. I feel like is less explicit in the content and title.
16:55:34 But what are you hoping viewers will feel when looking at it.
16:55:43 It's interesting that when I'm creating a piece or even before after my
16:55:59 hope is never.
16:56:02 It's almost like whatever that question or that process or that piece has to work for itself. And I mean, I never expect it to.
16:56:12 You know I'm saying, it's almost like if that these words on itself, then it's going to make someone feel something but I'm not expecting them to feel something specific.
16:56:22 Okay, if that makes sense. No. Yes or no. But it's important to me like you're saying that, after that, of course, that, that you're feeling whatever because that's taking the beauty of it but, um, but with that glow it's like, you know, how, how could
16:56:42 we see that glow, you know if it would exist if you can visually see a person and see the glow right.
16:56:49 Yeah, so that's always.
16:56:52 And when you see someone Have you seen that there's some people that go and some others that don't
16:57:00 like.
16:57:10 Right. But I know the thing is like the pregnancy glow is a different kinds of glow. Yeah, exactly. You got different kinds of glow. I love that. So, it's such a DD word itself a glow because it's just different kinds of globe.
16:57:18 Exactly. You're glowing glowing because maybe you're joyful or you're happy at that time. It's not like you're going right right right but that's
16:57:32 anyway but even in the challenges there's just some people that glow more than others and it's just a, it's an interesting thing to me you know the whole concept of the glowing so that was.
16:57:42 But um, the I ended up loving it, and I think it's, it's almost like they teach me something at the end you know it's almost like oh my god I wanted this but it's like, Wow, look at what happened or.
16:57:57 Anyway, um, the next piece of the same question, the reinvention and the light.
16:58:05 This one is also not as explicit I feel like is your other works.
16:58:11 But I guess what is the intent behind it.
16:58:18 I actually love that piece.
16:58:21 I need.
16:58:25 I mean it's I think it's just that.
16:58:28 It's just the process of life that you see that there's like a male person that it's almost like within an embryo kind of thing. Mm hmm.
16:58:35 Just like that evolution and trying to see the reinvention of our lives as, like, process which snares table is very comfortable it's never the same right so even from a baby to old age and birth and death.
16:58:54 It's just complete extremes and something we're all going to go through, no matter what. So I think that was.
16:59:03 And again, I think it was at that point it was the light was important to see it as that, that reinvention or that transformation part.
16:59:16 To put it together.
16:59:19 Yeah, for sure.
16:59:24 Um, yeah that's really interesting, but I'd be interesting, but I'm always interested in like what do you what do you see for example in that piece. Yeah, I definitely see that embryonic shape that that's, I feel like where.
16:59:40 That's the most recognizable.
16:59:50 Because it's different to her right usually I have it be totally, and that that an embryo colored Gabi.
17:00:14 Really
17:00:14 interesting home all vulnerable we are right or how perfectly. Yeah, dresses so tight I mean the whole thing is just some. So sometimes. Um, I've had that's one of the things I've had a lot of other ideas with doing paintings with embryos and things and
17:00:34 I haven't done them yet.
17:00:36 For whatever reason, can we, yeah.
17:00:40 Hmm. I think it's interesting that you repurpose kind of this like concept that's very reminiscent of specifically motherhood and kind of like repurposing it into a way for like the growth of like anything without that analysis.
17:01:08 See those things that guy, those things I don't see.
17:01:11 And, and that's probably because I'm a woman.
17:01:16 I'm thinking you're saying that because I'm thinking well maybe it's not like a man will not doing me whatever but yeah, now that you're saying is, that's a totally unconscious thing of things that are interesting but maybe because I'm a woman or not
17:01:31 specifically because your mother because I think you can still analyze it without being a mother but you know but it's, it's our bodies what's what. You know it's capable,
17:01:45 like okay well.
17:01:49 Anyway guys, that's it thanks for. Thanks for analyzing that Oh yeah, I think I haven't ended, have said that right now that you're saying that some of my paintings she sees like this part of the inside of you know like, like a V.
17:02:12 Yeah, like a V that it's almost like a creation for us as women you know like, you know, represented in history throughout time.
17:02:21 And like wow it's interesting when he shows me that I see it but I never, you know purposely you're aware of it.
17:02:26 You want to know in the moment. Yeah, that's interesting. Mm hmm.
17:02:33 Um, so, through the valley of Hope is the next piece, I thought this one was really interesting because the piece of a lot of figures that kind of seemed to be kind of interacting but also on their own journeys.
17:02:50 And it made me think about how a lot of your work, how does collectivism inspire, how you explore the human condition, super important.
17:03:12 More than what I think, because when I see the work like you're saying, and I love that you touch that but I'm going to say that because I think we need to be united, because we are human beings, like in isolation we we died.
17:03:22 Yeah, right, like you need friendship. And I think that goes back. I answered that we love doesn't mean it's the same kind of love, or this love we're talking about it's romantic love Of course I, you know, part of it but that's love It's so deep and,
17:03:41 you know,
17:03:46 so broad right it's all kinds of love. So anyway, so that goes back to that totally like we could be in this valley together but really I don't have to know them or be the same path or, you know, but we will go through those things and you know so it's
17:03:58 that analysis, and they're hoping that usually when you're in a body. It's not like you're in a mountain you know you're like, kind of different. Right.
17:04:08 Stage of going for trying to get out of it or, you know, yeah you're like in the belly, or something. Yeah, exactly.
17:04:18 Right, so that was the analysis but I I do.
17:04:23 Even though I think at the end it's up to us as individuals, but I think we're a community so as human beings we need to be united we need to support each other be compassionate, even if we're not understanding each other you know i mean so important
17:04:36 to me in my work to. Yeah, to kind of, you know, get us in to that analysis, even if we're not there yet because sometimes it's hard to even compassion and empathy.
17:04:50 Empathy. Absolutely.
17:04:53 And not judging or not, you know, it's, um, anyway.
17:04:58 Yeah.
17:05:01 Um, the next piece I chose was grace and peace, I believe this series was commissioned.
17:05:08 I remember that I think from one.
17:05:14 Okay.
17:05:16 Um, but I guess what was the idea behind it.
17:05:25 Well for this one commission it was inspired by the other ones but all of them.
17:05:33 They're inspired by this great that it sounds like a supernatural thing and I think we go back.
17:06:02 Gabi to the spiritual part I'm, I'm very.
17:05:46 I think it's very important and I'm very interested in all the human condition but also that we're not all physical you know I mean we're, we're spiritual beings, you know and and it's that analysis.
17:06:02 I mean, those emotions that love that's not physical, you know that's a deeper right spiritual thing even though we don't understand it fully but I think it's just going back to being aware of how beautiful that is our household blind, that is, you know,
17:06:18 Right. So that's, yeah.
17:06:27 Yeah, and the piece was just adding to the grace just, I have a grace on love grace and peace and I'll just the other graces but, um, anyway for this one that piece was important to me.
17:06:43 Yeah.
17:06:44 Sorry, go for it. No, yeah, we're good, we're on the chapter two.
17:06:50 Good.
17:06:52 Yeah.
17:06:54 Okay. So, how about we do chapter two, and then we
17:07:19 call it stop Yeah, sounds good. Sounds good to me I could do that one. Does that sound good. Yeah, perfect. And we will do the other one. I'm not me. Okay.
17:07:19 Yep.
17:07:19 Okay, cool.
17:07:19 Later. Yeah.
17:07:23 Um, okay so what does love mean to you.
17:07:29 Probably
17:07:31 even though sometimes we don't represent it or at least I'm talking about, to, about myself. I think we are all this about love, I think, again, you know if a lot of the questions I go back on for then you wander in, and not again guys just on the web,
17:07:52 we discuss I don't think it's specifically romantic love. I don't know why society and as human beings we've made it that way a lot, and I think that's a misinterpretation with a lot of people that don't.
17:08:04 I mean I love people I actually like that a lot of people as audience see my, my work as love.
17:08:12 You know, it's all about love and I love it. There's a lot of pieces that are about love, but not be romantic love, and which is, you know, wrong with that, but it's not fun.
17:08:35 son about friends so you know or companionship for neighbors or whatever you know and some of course are more specific than others. Some really are about you know a couple.
17:08:38 But in general, I just think love It's so important, and so needed and sometimes so hard to understand and express it all the time.
17:08:53 Lovely in a lovely
17:08:57 Friday.
17:08:59 It's just very interesting to me the whole world I think the more that I see, you know, our world or misunderstandings or whatever we've gone through throughout history of humanity, it's just.
17:09:14 We won't let love speak to us more than any of those other words, right, it will balance, US mom. Mm hmm.
17:09:26 That's very interesting.
17:09:27 Um, how do you choose to express love in your work.
17:09:33 I feel like I'm a lot of the times, it's like bread is associated with love, but in some of your pieces. You do straight from that a little bit. So, like, material color wise, how do you choose to express it.
17:09:55 Well, in my case, because I do have, even though it's instructed they figure I do you know some, as you see the ones that are more like a couple or two persons, whomever they are.
17:10:08 Then just that embracing part right brain is the love.
17:10:12 Some are very, like, so I know that I have to be with but like you said, Sometimes I have read pieces that have nothing to do with love which is interesting to me because it can be like you said hate or anger blood.
17:10:25 Yeah, you know it's not love at all.
17:10:28 So, And then I have one that it's.
17:10:33 Gosh, I think protected by life I don't know if you haven't hear that it's that it's very lovable and it's very dark, is that it's a dark pilot, not mean, you know, yeah.
17:10:46 So it's just really the figures that are really light, but they're at night or, you know, in a dark place but they're protecting it so I think shows a lot about love and, and I try not to let.
17:11:04 I think it would be boring, and maybe not as successful for what I want to do with my work to be always so obvious you know I'm saying like, Yeah, because it's, it's like I've got it right or impactful and it's not also so not always obvious sometimes
17:11:23 it is but most of the times it's not writing any. You never know. Right.
17:11:30 So, anyway, yeah so that's some, but sometimes I do have a specific or sometimes it just comes out as, like, where there's one that it's called that and it's spread and it's very, you know like, which is interesting tool but a lot of fathers are very
17:11:52 and not with palette, or. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
17:11:55 related.
17:11:56 Um, So speaking about my favorite peace, love you.
17:12:01 Love you. This one is very different from your other works material wise.
17:12:07 How did the concept, inspire a different process, slash, visual reaction from you.
17:12:32 I love this piece so both of them. And I Miss, Miss Mary.
17:12:25 I always wonder about them, they're more graphic right more cleaner, not a lot but they're so deep, which is so interesting and it's so hard to achieve, you know, with a piece.
17:12:38 So, and I think in that sense it was interesting that sometimes changing material can challenge you to of doing something new I think in that sense that technique or that letting yourself try something different I think that's important in the process
17:12:53 to this, it was interesting I actually did this works in Aspen, Colorado when I was doing a residency there no limitations of materials which was good, that's, You know, so I guess if that's interesting.
17:13:09 That was interesting, so I had paper that I had purchased there, and I worked on a lot of those paper and those pieces were created there and.
17:13:21 And I think like you said it was just super spontaneous, and I just knew they were perfect almost, you know, from the start just them teaching me like this is it, you know, and that means you let that love you, it was like anyway more obvious than others,
17:13:37 of course, because I have some hidden but this is like their seal analyze it differently, that's a good thing you know it's there but it's questioning to.
17:13:48 Yeah, there's a question.
17:14:02 Just
17:13:55 know, as you don't know who they are, I mean get big, big.
17:14:00 At that point, they're not even.
17:14:02 I mean, you can do that with anybody really, right, you know, you can wander if you love somebody doesn't matter who they are, sometimes.
17:14:13 Anyway, yeah. So that's the story.
17:14:15 I love that.
17:14:16 Thank you. Yeah. So I know that you're making me go back to each piece is so, so important for me.
17:14:26 I never thought it was going to be like, wow,
17:14:31 That's interesting. Why, Yeah.
17:14:36 I'm the writing of our love is the next piece that I chose this piece we spoke about this a little bit but I love that in your work.
17:14:47 You can you can express love as like a familial and platonic way rather than just romantic, but how does this relate to your own life and values
17:15:08 and values, that's interesting. Why do I have here.
17:15:14 I think it's always going
17:15:18 deeper than than what we think that love part, because I think it's so again I think it's so needed. And I think there's always a story behind it even if you know if you're a daughter or a viewer a friend or, you know, I think that writing part was kind
17:15:40 of like that there's a story right like why why it happened or, you know, why do you love this person or why do you love it for a second because it's always different kinds of love to right so it was kind of like that.
17:15:55 And then I'm also value I think it's interesting I think probably not everybody where I think we all kind of want to put this little box of how something has to look like right or close to be this way or at this time or, you know, and I'm like, that's
17:16:12 not part of the right.
17:16:15 I mean we're just like putting ourselves into the little box and then we're limiting ourselves to all this other kinds of love or a different time so you know what I'm saying.
17:16:24 So that was kind of like the whole writing thing.
17:16:27 Mm hmm.
17:16:30 Interesting.
17:16:33 Um, to love is the next piece which I thought was interesting that the title was actually like the verb, of what it means to love.
17:16:48 And I thought it specifically looking at how to make ourselves available and open to it.
17:16:56 So throughout your artistic practice.
17:17:00 How's your work allowed you to open up to feel your emotions fully.
17:17:08 Oh, I think.
17:17:13 I'm so grateful to my work because I will be in deep trouble, or who knows what will be the way to express the right guy like
17:17:21 saying,
17:17:25 I think he has taught me so much. So I think if I could share that I'm like,
17:17:34 I think just your question of, and I know it I've been asking myself and knowledge you saying like, why I have how I limited myself from doing the pieces that I'm just saying that maybe are too.
17:17:54 Too strong or not to, you know, who am I, that's not part of debating whether we are it is I mean you have to put it out there or if you want, you don't but you have to create it or trying to ramp.
17:18:02 And I think each piece really teach teaches me something, even from a creative part and from a personal part and I think even going back to all these titles like you're saying it's interesting it's like a diary because you know I was going through those
17:18:19 questions or maybe somebody else, you know was going through it so it was interesting to me to another state or, you know, researcher, go deeper into it, you know.
17:18:32 So, anyway, that was a question or I totally off. No, no, you're dead. Yeah.
17:18:39 The creation of love is another piece that I really liked.
17:18:45 What is the concept behind the piece.
17:18:50 That's interesting. I love I do love that, I love that is true.
17:18:57 And that was, that's almost similar got me to the why do we feel like if we could actually see like how this learns, which is almost impossible right but we're visual beings because that's where we are I mean we realize what's on scene which is a lot
17:19:13 of on the same thing so.
17:19:15 the same thing so. So if we could see it you know it's all and then you see it's just so perfectly finished but it's it's unfinished almost there's parts that it's right room.
17:19:26 Interesting. Yeah, you see that he's it's, it's never totally finished but it's and we don't really know. So anyway, that's it.
17:19:34 You have to go. No, no, sorry, Amanda came in.
17:19:39 You have to go okay that's good.
17:19:43 So anyway, that was that. So it was almost like a wonder of how love is created. Yeah, we could see it. Mm hmm.
17:19:52 That's really poetic.
17:19:57 I love that. I'm dying to read all that you're going to put there you can
17:20:03 totally interesting guy me.
17:20:08 I thought the peace, pure love was really interesting to explore what the concept of pure means in your work.
17:20:18 And the following question is in overwhelming sensation, all encompassing, or why did you choose to visually illustrate it in this way.
17:20:32 So that was kind of all over the place.
17:20:34 But I think it's interesting your use of words like overwhelming and, you know, and I'm like wow.
17:20:43 Gabby though so that's good. And it's it's interesting that you're saying you could with pure love like you're saying it's like there's certain things that are pure in us as human beings, but I'm going to show you were totally come completely
17:21:01 capable of having that pureness all the time I think we're not and that's okay that's part of, you know, being human beings we have.
17:21:10 So, if you see that pure it's almost that white in between them.
17:21:18 But the love is bright and happy piece but the pure.
17:21:24 It's almost that part so it's not. Whoo, not all pure, you know, email, how you feel it or how you express it or, you know, even a daily thing sometimes, like if I'm talking about romantic loving this can sometimes I love it often sometimes I don't want
17:21:39 to see him you know it's just part of being a cop or being sisters right i mean to length, but you know there's something pure there. Right, of whatever different kind of love it so that was kind of bad analysis.
17:21:55 Yeah.
17:21:57 I'm observation of love, I feel like this could be similar to how you describe the creation of love, but it seems like it was the perspective of it is like from an outsider, and so have you ever been inspired by viewing other people's emotions.
17:22:16 And how do your surroundings, in this way influence your work.
17:22:33 That was a great question though, and you think, yeah, it was like you're a really good yeah I'm like, some journalism or something.
17:22:34 That's like the second carrier.
17:22:38 Anyway, so the observation is that it's three pieces you saw the other ones. So yeah, it's totally from an outsider, I love that question. Totally. In that sense, even though I mean of course you were there you can put yourself but as a creator part,
17:22:52 it was totally created, like if you could have serve it like observation of love observation of the heart and observation of the soul I think it's the other one.
17:23:02 I remember right but, um, yeah exactly it's almost like it's right there right like how would, how does it look like and, and it's a very simple painting in the sense of simple of, you know, complexity of, you know, done but if you see they're very, you
17:23:18 know like, almost graphic traces of gray the body and, and then nothing to do with love in this sense, it's just doing right so.
17:23:29 So that was the thing yeah it was totally from an outsider perspective, completely.
17:23:35 And the encoding the surrounding things on my work always even like what we're talking right now. Or like, you know, if you mentioned something interesting, then, that if that's a question I'll put it down I don't know when it's going to become a painting
17:23:49 or sometimes, you know it's like puts together with other things that are important or, you know, right, that kind of how it happens, always just. Mm hmm.
17:24:04 Cool. Well, we're done in chapter two.
17:24:11 Okay. It was so great, great, I love your questions. Thank you.
17:24:18 Oh, I'm very impressed. Oh, yeah.
17:24:24 So we can text about when to finish. It's not urgent. Okay, I have a lot to go out already. So we started with a lot. Okay, perfect.
17:24:35 But yeah, thank you so much. Yes, okay. So good to see you. I'm so happy you're here, we are trying to get together, not yet, but eventually Well, good night for sure what I'm here for winter break, we'll do something.
17:24:51 Yes, we have.
17:24:53 Yeah, you have done that. Okay, so I'll just wait for you to keep me updated with
17:25:00 with when you want to meet again or whatever.
17:25:04 Oh yeah.
17:25:05 Yeah, probably.
17:25:08 after Thanksgiving. Okay, like next week.
17:25:12 Yeah, yeah. Okay, if that's okay. Yeah I think so it's fine yeah, it's week so it's fine. And then I'm just gonna remember that I have to work on those images for you, and see if it out.
17:25:28 Okay, and I will send you a full list of every piece in the book. And so you can have like a full list for the high wonder me. That will be wonderful.
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